Quote from JJ72 :

And it's clarkson, who exagarrates almost everything.

Jason Plato did give a little more insight in exactly how it drives, I wish Tiff or Martin Brundle can someday test it too, much better reviewers.

Thats an understatement. At the end of the day Topgear is looking for viewers and they are going to say anything they want about any car =)

THis good/bad thing is all relative anyways =) That GTR will crush your Dad's rusted out hatchback any day =)

Show me an excel with an annual budget of 6k for a new starter into TKM. New karts alone are upwards of 4,000pounds by the time you are done... Used are 2k, then a trailer, spares, track fees, fuel to drive back and forth to the track, lodging fees...

Why am I even bothering... you are talking out your arse. Sure you may be able to get into a kart for that, with no spares and putting the kart into the back of your Dad's estate, with bent chassis kart and used tires, 6k would hardly cover your fuel and food costs to and from the track for a national series.

If you REALLY want to race you will do anything speach is tiring. I used to say it myself, until I got a life, there are other things in life than racing, if there isn't then I feel sorry for you and wish you all the best in your cardboard box the next time it rains, give me your address and I will send you a complementry house to use when your letting the sun dry your other cardboard box.

Keep in mind that even if you could competively race for 6k a year, which you can't, it is still over 13% of the income of an average family household. Thats how much you could buy a house for in some area's... hmm a house or a gokart that I will never be able to compete in... having difficulties here in setting my priorities... not sure which one I should do...

I am going back under my bridge now...

Quote from tristancliffe :

So when they had the "So you want to be an F1 driver" competition (which I entered, and didn't get past the fitness stage ), or when they take underpriviledged people and give them opportunities via competitions do you get upset too?

This isn't a competition to find the best driver in the world. People deserving of a place in motorsport via usual avenues won't be left behind any more than they already would have been. The two are entirely separate...

They are separate and going for slightly different people. Believe it or not there are people smart enough to know when not to jump if they simply cannot afford it. First thing first is a roof over your head and food on the table.

There are families out there that cannot afford the extra 10k plus to get their kid into racing, and that’s cheap. To race nationally you are easily looking at 30-40k, probably more, and that’s just for karts! Sure with families making that per adult it MAY be possible to run. Then sponsors can help offset this cost, but at the end of the day a significant amount of cash is needed to race and there will be very talented people, who are smart enough to know when not to play the real racing game when the risks are so high. IE they cannot afford to put food on the table if they race, and yes this is the case. The average British family barely makes 45k a year, with both adults working! Never mind finding the extra 10k to afford something that will never put food on the table, except in extreme circumstances, it's just not worth it.

People who don't race because of cost are not showing any less commitment, they are simply using their intelligence and they know when they have no feasible chance of competing to a realistic level without living in a cardboard box and stewing socks for dinner.

Keep in mind I am only talking about aspiring professional racers ...

There is another side of this. Because of the vast amounts of cash dolled out by families (IE not the actual racer) that the parents become involved in managing their kid. This is a disaster waiting to happen and many people in the racing business have lost their jobs because they said the wrong thing to a racers Dad at some point. V1 would solve this problem by eliminating the cash from the families and engineers would now be able to coach and teach without fear of losing their financial backer.

There is bound to be a few great racers out there in the sim racing community. Some of them are probably not even that fast. Not everyone has a bazillion hours to run thousands of laps on a config to get their lap times down. All it takes is the proper mentality when using simulators, which are used by professional racers to hone their skills, and they could be a great racer, just maybe one that runs 1-2 seconds off the pace because they don’t have the time to sit in front of the computer. They are too busy working putting food on the table, IE setting their priorities strait which IMO is one attribute anyone wanting to achieve anything will need.

Intrepid can you please take your elitism back to iRacing… you should love that simulator, you have to pay more cash to race and because of that they will be better drivers who can comprehend racing better...

I think his attitude could be a good example of a poor attitude

Round two coming up, goodluck people Remember you don't have to have the fastest time to get into a real racecar. Only the right attitude and mentality will earn you those spots

:edit: Although the proper attitude will likely have a side effect of quickish laptimes =)

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:31.

Actually IIRC laptime is only a very small part of whats being looked at so anyone could in theory get the seat, not just the kids that have spent a million miles on LFS learning every square millimeter of blackwood.

For anyone on facebook there is a group you can join in on =)

http://www.facebook.com/inbox/ ... group.php?gid=18476362283

Quote from tristancliffe :

It's almost like ordering food online in Europe or America, which we've had for a few years now.

Yep infact from what I understand they actually had virtual stores in second life and delivered to real houses from the second life orders. Not sure how true it is though, didn't see it myself.

Quote from spanks :

the corvette is designed like it is for aerodynamics nowadays

the ls3 c6 corvette gets 16 mpg city and 26 mpg on the freeway out of a 6.2L v8

that just shows how low the drag coefficient is

This gas mileage is the same as the Ford Mustang and we all know thats not aerodynamic.

The Camaro gets 28 with it's V8 and 18-20 in town. Drag is only a partial factor in fuel mileage and there are many more variables that must be looked at. Having a low drag in itself does not mean you will have good fuel mileage.

I wish there could be too! Sadly though if there are more than tier1 server they both die off and you're left with nobody to race=)

Quote from bavorak :

I have a question...I dont have steering wheel so I have to race with mouse....is there some disadvantage for me? I mean something that racers who play with wheel will be chosen in preference

I don't think you will be at a disadvantage with a mouse. Mousers, IE people to race with a mouse, are just as fast as people with a wheel. However IMO it's much more fun with a wheel! But it's not manditory, nor will your times decrease because of a wheel. If anything your times will INCREASE if you switch to a wheel now. It does take some time to get used to.

Quote from bavorak :

and another question...what should I do on V1 servers if there is nobody there? should I also race and my times (replays) will be saved?

Yes the replay will still be saved and statistics logged. You don't have to be on the server with other people in order to log data for yourself. Others are just missing a perfect opportunity

Quote from bavorak :

I dont really understand what is the main aim in racing on V1 servers...what is the target i should hit on this servers to qualify on main race in time when real F1 race starts?

Racing on the servers gives data for V1 and crew to sift through to help in their selection. My understanding is that a portion of the drivers for the weekly events will be selected via the qualifying sessions, while some will also be hand picked by Jay himself to run in the event. There is not a 'target time' to hit persay, race cleanly and professionally and you have a chance of competing in the events.

If you must need a target time type /w wr in the chat window to give you the world record for the track/car you are currently driving. Or type /ws BL1 FBM wr Thanks Gil

Quote from bavorak :

and will I receive some e-mail with informations before the qualification and race which will start in 5 days I think. I mean specification of the race (laps, wind, password to server...) because I feel quite uninformed about the race and it starts in few days?

Yes, more information to follow =)

Quote from bavorak :

If i understand well, every weekend when F1 race is also V1 championship is on schedule...what will happen if I miss some of the races? or do I understand it wrongly?

thx for answers

I don't know the specifics but if you don't plan to be available for the race please don't qualify for that week. Missing events would reflect poorly on your statistics, but that in itself would not exclude you from participating.

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:46.

I hate it when people say it's a 'leaf' spring! It is in technical terms but it's not used in the conventional sense since they changed it on the C4. Which they started making in 1984, thats nearing 25 years folks of independent suspension for the vette... Spanks already gave the list of +'s for it =)

Quote from ajp71 :

They're doing something wrong then, all modern GT cars use the rollcage for torsional rigidity, mounting a cage onto a car without a conventional steel monocoque is more tricky but should be possible.

Your probably right, I think there was cost involved though and it was cheaper in the long run to switch to the viper which required less maintenance (example, the vette would go through pads and rotors every session while the viper would go the whole weekend on a set of rotors and a day on a set of pads, there was more but time was short as we were waiting in line to get a spin in the production Viper at Road America. His biggest complaint was the car making setup changes on it's own after a session however =) I don't know the specifics but I would have thought they could have been able to solve the problem, they are a top notch team in the states.

The viper is a tube chassis with a unibody overlay which is more along the lines they were looking for from what I understood from Dave.

Last edited by Christopher Raemisch, Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:00.

Quote from JJ72 :

you can't put handling on paper.

If you say so... people keep saying that but if that was true why would manufacturers AND racers use lateral G's for the level of 'grip' for a car? Why do manufacturers use slalom speeds as an indicator on how well a car transitions? Yes some mean more than others but if these didn't indicate anything why would they still be used in the professional arena on a global level?

I think people just say what you just did to make themselves feel better about their own favorite car, I know I have in the past =)

LOL I just think it's funny that people still think that the Corvette is still 'American Muscle' The same goes for the Viper, both are anything but and this 'muscle' persona around American cars is not based on fact, merely carryover from cars 30 years ago! Get some facts on paper and show me that American cars cannot handle and I will go back under my bridge, goodluck though.

The ZR1 is an awesome car, but I have my doubts about a unibody being able to handle that much power and still have the suspension behave like it should. I know Naykid racing switched from the Vette to the Viper because of the horrible Chassis flex found in the Vette when running GT2 IIRC in the states, which they moved to the Speed World Challenge series.

Amazed on what GM did with the new vette really, it's still relatively cheap and outperfoms most every other 'supercar' out there.

That has not been decided yet dalibor79 and will hopefully be decided soon. I am not sure exactly of the potential reasons for 'limiting' the drivers but one that comes to my mind is that the logistics of having people from outside the country can be colossal and possibly something Jay is not ready for just yet. There would have to be many more things that would have to be completed besides the regular stuff that's needed for UK residents to be able to get the person into the country on a permanent basis.

I don't have anything more definite than that, sorry. It has not been decided yet from what I understand.

Quote from aoun :

If oval, why not drag? Why not MRT autocross racing? Why not Drift? (lol )

First thing first is getting the circuit racing system up to par while waiting for Scawen to develop LFS a bit more.

I had a quick look, it's only a short term ban which lasts a few days.

The reason for the ban is because we felt that because of your license level, and your great behavior on the track normally we needed to send a strong message to you so the message 'sinks in'.

Quote from niall09 :

I presume that Patch Z was released early because of this?

Early? Who said anything about early? Scawen released Z exactly and precisely when he wanted to

=) Should be good, cmon you S2 guys show these demo people how to race

Quote from chanoman315 :

how does a spanish cow speaks?

I do believe they say moo.

I have always enjoyed oval racing, but frankly the oval in LFS is very lacking and because of the constant speed involved with oval racing you need accurate areo and wing damage which we don't really have yet. Also some critical setup options are not available in LFS yet, a stockcar would be nice =)

When the time comes that oval racing can be done more accuratly I personally would love to see an oval server suite with a license system, but the oval racing just is not there yet.

The same can be said for the drag racing. There are many things that need to be modeled before drag racing becomes the challenge it is in real life and until then I highly doubt that we will create a server suite for them.

I understand that the road racing side of LFS is missing things as well, but IMO this is further on and fairly accurate to a degree we want to provide services to you all for it.

The other part of this is people... we don't have the people to fill the servers we have now, while adding options is great for people, at the end of the day nobody will race if there are only a few people in 40+ servers instead of 12+ people in a few servers. While not ideal I personally would enjoy the latter more.

Quote from PAracer :

The last thing I would do is buy a Chrysler. The SRT-4 isn't a bad car, I just won't buy one. Will four track tires, a tool box, and the other associated parts fit in a Neon? I understand the depreciation that comes along with a new car, I just care more about the perks of being the original owner.

should do, I know people that have

Quote from PAracer :

Glad someone does. I'm looking to move on. The past six years have been fun, but I'm gearing up for a car with a warranty. The magic 8-ball shows a Mazdaspeed 3 in my future.

They are ok =) You could probably find some SRT-4's with 4 years left on their warrenty. I expect if you bought one with a 3 year you could extend it to 7 yet, would still have 3 years left for an 04, they came factory with 7 year warranty's. Get more bang for your buck the SRT than the Mazda, got a buddy that has one. Buying new new is a waste of money, I did it with my ACR and I lost a big chunk of money on it.